Columnist Pat Buchanan stated, “the Third World is invading the First World, part it coming through Mexico, up through Mexico into the United States” and “If you had 12 million who have walked into your country illegally and stay, or overstay their visas, you’ve got an invasion” on Friday’s “McLaughlin Group.”
Buchanan said, “I think Tom’s term, existential crisis, is exactly right. What is happening is, the Third World is invading the First World, part it coming through Mexico, up through Mexico into the United States. In Europe, they’re coming from the Middle East, Africa will have 2.5 billion people by mid-century. They are coming across the Mediterranean, and people are not going to start shooting them. And right now, fences.
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MCLAUGHLIN: Question: who is right about how Mexico would react to the cutoff of remittances, Trump or Obama? Pat?
PAT BUCHANAN, AUTHOR & COLUMNIST: Well, Mexico would react badly. But, look, what Trump has done very effectively is, raised a legitimate issue.
What Mexicans are doing usually in the United States is a safety valve for their social welfare problems. They push all these folks, their own folks into the United States. These folks sent back remittances. You know, others get jobs in the United States of America.
At the same time, Mexico does not really control folks coming in from Central America and elsewhere. It moves them right on up to the border of the United States.
And so, what I think Trump has got going for him is a real sense, John, of exasperation with the Mexican government, and I think a tough policy against the Mexican government.
Quite frankly, an easier thing to do would be put a 10 percent tariff on all Mexican goods entering the United States. You could get tens of billions of dollars. You could build the fence and you tell the Mexicans, look, folks, if you will build a secure fence on your side of the border as well, we will get rid of the tariff.
MCLAUGHLIN: Eleanor, why is Obama attacking —
BUCHANAN: That’s a way to get it done.
BUCHANAN: But — you know, what I think Tom’s term — existential crisis — is exactly right. What is happening is the Third World is invading the First World. Part it coming through Mexico, up through Mexico into the United States. In Europe, they’re coming from the Middle East, Africa will have 2.5 billion people by mid-century. They are coming across the Mediterranean and people are not going to start shooting them.
And right now, fences —
PAGE: Well, that’s Europe’s problem, though. We don’t have that problem.
BUCHANAN: No. We’ll have it and we’re going to have it even greater.
PAGE: It’s a fraction of what Europe’s problem.
CLIFT: We have a country where many of the citizens pride the diversity that we’re seeing and you’re —
BUCHANAN: You’re going to get a lot more of it.
CLIFT: And the way you phrase it — right, the you phrase it like it’s something terrible being taken over.
BUCHANAN: When you have people walking —
CLIFT: Immigrants in our midst who do a lot of jobs in this country —
BUCHANAN: If you had 12 million who have walked into your country illegally and stay, or overstay their visas, you’ve gotten an invasion, and you see the reaction in Europe.
PAGE: Look at Germany, for example. Germany doesn’t have enough population growth to pay for their own senior citizens. Immigrants are bringing money – –
BUCHANAN: And Merkel could be thrown out of office —
BUCHANAN: — because she went south on the immigration issue.
PAGE: She is in trouble over one aspect of immigration over there right now, but we have the same situation, Pat. We don’t — we — our immigrants coming in are helping to fund Social Security and —
CLIFT: He’s using immigration as a scapegoat and telling people that their lives aren’t good as they expect, and they can’t afford college because all these other people are taking the good jobs.
BUCHANAN: Is he fooling the people or —
CLIFT: No, he’s not. He’s —
BUCHANAN: He says yes.
PAGE: Trump is fooling the people. He’s fooling his supporters.
MCLAUGHLIN: What accounts —
CLIFT: He’s exaggerating the problem.
BUCHANAN: Well, look, the people are listening to this guy —
ROGAN: All right. Let’s let our host in here for a second.
MCLAUGHLIN: OK, mid-segment. What’s the story on Sanders and his momentum, and what impact is it making it on whom?
ROGAN: So, you’re talking about the Sanders dynamic? The Clinton campaign is clearly concerned, because of the populist feel that Sanders has with millennials, with that sense that he’s the genuine candidate who is fundraising from low income donors. There’s a real sort of narrative of the new liberal enlightenment, as they would say, the American socio — but the Clinton campaign, I think the key problem here is that issue of trust, isn’t it, that people because of the FBI, because of the corporate deals, because of the changing of the tone, because of the way that Clinton presents herself.
CLIFT: That’s right.
MCLAUGHLIN: Excuse me, you left out one factor, Hillary’s mo. Where’s Hillary’s mo?
BUCHANAN: She doesn’t have any momentum right now. She might get it back in New York.
But Sanders is doing well. Look, the country, the Democratic Party is moving very dramatically to the left, and what Sanders is offering, quite frankly, is a lot of free stuff, that somebody else is going to pay for, the big banks, the rich, or the 1 percent.
ROGAN: The man behind the tree.
BUCHANAN: He’s a character in his own right. And he has —
BUCHANAN: — touched in to this issue, which is may be a fourth of the country agrees with him and believes him and he’s riding it.
CLIFT: And he hasn’t fully thought through how to accomplish any of this, and that’s beginning to catch up with him. But he does get a lot of energy and enthusiasm in the Democratic Party. And Hillary Clinton needs those voters. If the math works in her favor, she’s the likely nominee and she can have her fight with Bernie Sanders, but she’s got to embrace his voters.
And he’s not going to go away. He wants a continuing revolution, and he wants a protest movement that continues beyond this presidential race. And that could help a Democrat in the White House. So, you know, she needs him more than he needs her, right now.
PAGE: What’s interesting here though is the similarities between Sanders and Trump. They’re both playing to a discontent out there in the populace. And so you get these phantom issues like immigration. Immigration is not really the source of people’s problems, but it is an issue to demagogue and to scapegoat. And Sanders does the same with the millionaires and billionaires —
BUCHANAN: Look, that’s Bernie.
PAGE: But neither of them is dealing with the details of their own programs.
BUCHANAN: But, look, what Trump is doing, and you’re missing, is, he’s wired into nationalism. We defend our borders, bring our troops home, stop paying other people’s bills, stop fighting other people’s wars. It is nationalism. All of his issues, you know, trade, immigration, foreign policy, the same —
PAGE: Those are all issues that always pop up when people are feeling discontented.
PAGE: And there’s a group of people in America that do feel discontented — for good reason, by the way.
BUCHANAN: Nationalism is alive in Europe. It is what is breaking apart the E.U. I mean, these are very large things.
PAGE: This is not Europe, Pat. I mean, you’re right.
BUCHANAN: You can’t see what’s happening worldwide.
PAGE: It’s not happening here.
BUCHANAN: I think Trump would do well —
MCLAUGHLIN: It’s a one-off, a perfect —
CLIFT: — Trump’s death are premature.
BUCHANAN: It’s a one-off, John.
MCLAUGHLIN: It’s a perfect storm of unique factors, unlikely to be replicated in the coming primaries.
MCLAUGHLIN: You get something else to say or we’re moving on?
BUCHANAN: I think that’s exactly right. I think Trump is going to win New York. When he does, I think Cruz is going to fade a bit, and I think Kasich is going to start coming up, because he’s more popular in the states that are coming up.
The system is rigged and that plays right into the messages of Trump and Sanders.
BUCHANAN: I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop there, because there were no Americans on there. I’m wondering — they hit the Chinese. They hit the Russians. You have to hit — they hit the fellow in Ukraine.
But this is very significant, John. What it looks like, even at it’s most innocent, is that all these world leaders have rainy day funds in dollars, and they moved them outside the country, and they’ve got them all locked away for their future. How did they acquire this kind of money and what does it say about their confidence in the world system?
And secondly, as you mentioned, though, the fact that there are no Americans in there doesn’t tell me we are better than anyone else. It tells me we haven’t got all the information yet.
BUCHANAN: Why, Clarence — why, look, it is 70 years after World War II. It is 25 years since the end of the Cold War. Why do 600 million Europeans, rich, fat and prosperous, need the United States of America to defend them from a middle class country of 147 million? Why is it not time for the Europeans to man up, put on their big boy pants and defend themselves?
CLIFT: Why don’t you go over and talk to some of the people who live in these countries —
BUCHANAN: Well, no, I don’t have to. Just —
CLIFT: And live in these countries and ask them how they feel about Russia, and ask them about their memories and —
BUCHANAN: Well, they don’t — then, arm.
CLIFT: And Russia is newly assertive, plus the fact NATO is —
BUCHANAN: Why do we have to defend them?
CLIFT: Because we had knitted together this community with Europe, with Australia —
BUCHANAN: And a lot of free riders, and a lot of deadbeats.
CLIFT: — and Japan, and that 60 percent of the world’s economy and we’ve had peace in Europe.
BUCHANAN: Why don’t they defend themselves?
CLIFT: And NATO has a lot to do with that.
BUCHANAN: Why don’t they defend themselves?
CLIFT: They are putting in their share, and the U.S. is still considered the leader in the world, despite all your yelling about nationalism.
CLIFT: They look to us and I think —
BUCHANAN: They look to us, but they have got to have to stop looking to us.
CLIFT: I think it’s the leadership role that most Americans are proud of.
PAGE: We need to look at our relationship, though, as well, because there are good — Pat, there are good strategic reasons why you may not want to have American troops under European command, if we are in the allied movement.
BUCHANAN: Let me agree with you. Let me agree with you.
PAGE: So, maybe this has to be rearranged.
BUCHANAN: Let me agree with you, a lot of what you say. Trump has raised the issue. He has put it on the table and it’s time it was addressed, and they have been acting like deadbeats since the end of the Cold War.
MCLAUGHLIN: Exit question —
CLIFT: Don’t act like Trump invented the criticism. President Obama was quoted complaining about the free riders. There has been tension, but we need NATO and the threats that they’re facing now with cyber threats —
MCLAUGHLIN: Well —
CLIFT: — it’s a whole new generation of threats.
MCLAUGHLIN: Exit question: Without NATO, will the world be more stable or more unstable?
BUCHANAN: Undeniably, I think the Europeans will not man up and defend themselves. But they’re going to have to.
BUCHANAN: You got taxes on cigarettes and you got taxes on soft drinks and a lot of things like that.
PAGE: You also got Michael Bloomberg —
BUCHANAN: Yes, I think these taxes are good. They’re better than the other kind, with your income.
ROGAN: I agree, I agree.
PAGE: Well, we would try to ban, you know, unhealthy drinks like Michael Bloomberg, you know, with —
PAGE: — super size sodas, you get a big backlash. So, it’s not an easy thing to try to legislate with people.
ROGAN: Just tax it.
MCLAUGHLIN: Is it correct to say that Donald Trump is not known for intense exercise?
MCLAUGHLIN: I ask the lady here.
CLIFT: I haven’t heard about his exercise regimen.
MCLAUGHLIN: This is a trap. Watch out.
CLIFT: But I do — I have picked up information about his dietary habits. You mentioned fast food. He also loves his meat very well done, and he likes meatloaf, and there’s a family recipe. So, he likes comfort food and I like comfort food too.
BUCHANAN: Here’s where I disagree with Trump. He said Wendy’s and McDonald’s, when I was on the campaign, John, Burger King was number one.
MCLAUGHLIN: Here’s my learned —
BUCHANAN: They have the best burger.
MCLAUGHLIN: Here’s my learned annotation on it. It is incorrect to say that Trump is not known for intense exercise. “Men’s Health Magazine” in 2013 characterized Trump as athletic, former captain of his high school baseball team.
BUCHANAN: That’s a long time ago.
MCLAUGHLIN: And you trade off your old stuff?
ROGAN: Baseball is not as — until recently, that was known for athleticism either.
MCLAUGHLIN: And an avid golfer and an avid walker.
ROGAN: Yes, easy.
MCLAUGHLIN: What do you think about that?
ROGAN: Tell me when he runs a marathon.
CLIFT: He doesn’t look all that in shape. But listen, if he continues on the trajectory towards the nomination and potentially the presidency, we’re going to know more than we want to know about everything having to do with his health.
MCLAUGHLIN: Forced prediction: Bernie Sanders will upset Hillary Clinton in New York’s primary Tuesday, April the 19th. Yes or no? Pat?
BUCHANAN: He’ll come close, but he won’t quite make it.